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Anyone from Iran on here?

In reading news about Iran and it's recent elections I would love to hear from anyone actually living there and what you feel about it. My feelings are a bit mixed, to tell the truth. It makes me a bit worried that if this group is this violent when they lost, what would they have done if they had won...

Does their violence scare anyone else? It makes me kind of glad they did not win or I can imagine a wave of genocide taking place hidden under the banner of Freedom.

I am very curious what anyone living in that area thinks and feels about it.

Maria

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We have three members (that I know of, off-hand) but unfortunately Ahmadinejad has shut down the internet and cellular phone service to prevent the opposition supporters from communicating with each other. I do not know if this is nationwide or just in Tehran but because all three members are from Tehran, I feel there is little hope of hearing from them in the near future. It does seem an impossible feat to have hand counted all the millions of votes in less than 24 hours drawning the conclusion that Ahmadinejad won by such a high margin but I guess we'll have to wait to see if the real story differs from what is being currently presented to the world.

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Maria de Chirikof's picture

I know

I am hoping we can hear what is actually happening over there since it is a bit curious how it appears to everyone!

I was curious because one news story I read was saying that the opponent had a high margin of votes but am not sure if that was just a propaganda stunt or the truth.

It was just the reaction that made me worry since we need less violence and anger in the world. I read another story where the Israeli leader is hoping to use these events to show how dangerous Ahmadinejad views and actions are. But I am pro-Palestinian (though not anti-Jewish) so can see what he does to one group and do not want that happening to others over there too.

It is just hard to feel so far away and not know what the truth is!

Maria

Tanya's picture

I've been wondering the same

I've been wondering the same thing with regards to having members of certain nationalities on board World Pulse. Do we have members from Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Chechnya, Cuba. Would be great to connect and share thoughts/ideas and even collaborate.

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Dear Maria

ps: I've been meaning to relay this for quite a while but havent done so. Now that Im finally posting, I'd like to tell you Maria that I admire your enthusiasm for this program so much. I remember you saying that it's pretty quiet and you post alot but I think that just shows your excitement and dedication. Keep posting please! :)

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It beats me too

I really wonder how the guy won by such large majority and with votes counted so quicky. I had been praying that the elections even went into a second round but no. I just hope that the Iranian president listens to all the voices in Iran that a asking for changing, especially the voices of women and those of the youths.

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I've been watching the news

I've been watching the news closely for a few days. I hope the elections were not rigged! I was reading a book on Iran two years ago and I remember reading that the majority of Iranians are part of the younger generations. If the media is correct, didn't the youth vote for Mousavi?
I don't know. I feel that Iranians are not going to be quiet for a long time.

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Western News viewpoints

It makes me worried for Iran though, reading today's news reports and seeing the slants put on it. Remember, I am Alaskan Native and know exactly what the US/Western governments are like and the things they try and actually do to gain control.

For Alaska, the stereotype that we are finally managing to overcome is that we are all a bunch of drunks. Because we are very rich in resources many Americans/Westerners embraced this stereotype to lessen their guilt at what they were doing to us. It is like what you see or read in dealing with serial killers where you need to get them to see the victim as a real person so it is harder for them to harm them.

Do you see the slant I put on that paragraph? It is the same sort of thing you can read in the news and one especially worrying comment is one saying about their supreme leader who is currently Ayatullah Ali Khamenei. Now what does that mean, "currently", as if they expect that to change soon.

While I am not Iranian or Muslim, I do care about them as real people. I do believe all people should be treated well and that treating people with dignity is not a gift to them but the least you can do. While I am unsure whether or not there was any misdoings in counting them, I can see where they had some sort of system set up in advance to count these since they knew they would be hand counted. We should not assume lack of intelligence or that they do not have the ability to plan ahead, that is just being prejudiced and is wrong.

I also hope things improve for woman and children in all countries! Lets keep them in our thoughts and prayers,

Maria

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Washington Post

I am not familiar with a lot of these newspapers and how trusted they are but read one that is interesting:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/14/AR200906...

It talks about sample polling that shows many do actually support the incumbent because they believe he is the most likely to get them a real deal. I guess that makes sense but I would so love to hear from any Iranians around when you get the chance!

Maria

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Youtube an online stage for

Youtube an online stage for Iran protest videos -
http://arabia.msn.com/News/MiddleEast/AFP/2009/June/821737.aspx?ref=rss

The Twitter Revolution -
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_wl396

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Hi Tanya

I don't know, do you really trust what is happening over there and the coverage of it? I guess we should keep in mind how Obama used the media to rally Americans for an honest government and how the spread of grassroots organizations helped create the wave of hope in America and showed the power of the media in the minds of Americans.

Remember a bit ago when the GOP tried to create the fake grassroots organizations modeled on the real kind but with different aims?

In Alaska/American relations the media about us were we were "inept", "primitive" and "drunks" that allowed the power and land grab that happened up here, so I know how easily it can happen where the American people are not so eager to see Truth as want to believe they are much better then others in some way. It makes me worry seeing all this going on and how this Mousavi guy is seeming to whip up the Iranians and how reports use words like 'current' to talk about the supreme leader as if that will soon change. Imagine this Mousavi guy working to set himself up as the new Supreme power...

But I would love to hear from an Iranian that he is truly a decent guy who cares and it is not a huge media hype campaign to overthrow a country... As with Indigenous Alaskans and when they were trying to force them to forget their heritage and culture and language and used people easily corrupted due to being human to report and tell on other indigenous people and were used to help control and destroy the cultures up here, we should be aware of these tactics.

Maria

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Dear Maria,Let me put it

Dear Maria,

Let me put it this way. I am not espousing Mousavi's cause. I dont know anything about the man and my initial perceptions or opinions are bound to be formed by what I read/see/hear. That being said, I've over time realised the way media can present an issue or not and I most definately take in each thing with a pinch of salt, knowing well how just the angle of a camera can change the entire story or it's context. Recently, I read Azar Nafisi's interview with regards to the situation and this what she has to say about Mousavi -

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But it seems like Ahmadinejad has won an overwhelming majority?

But the most amazing thing is that so many people came out into the streets to demonstrate and protest and to make their wishes known.

"I was thrown out of the university that Mousavi shut down as part of the Cultural Revolution."

This is great because it disproves the myth that the Iranian people want the extreme laws imposed on them by the Islamic regime. In any society you will have extremists.

There will be always people who will support those like Mr. Ahmadinejad, in the same way that many Americans supported Mr. Bush or support Christian fundamentalists. But that does not mean that the Iranian people prefer a theocracy to a pluralistic country with freedom of religion and expression for everyone.

In their slogans and demands during the elections they asked for freedom and democracy and repudiated the repressive laws. But just as important is the fact that many within the ruling elite in Iran are realizing they cannot rule the society the way they claimed they could. A good example is Mr. Mousavi himself.

In order to win Mousavi had taken up the progressive slogans, which he had previously fought against. I was there at the beginning of the Islamic Revolution when he was the Prime Minister, and implemented many of the repressive measures which he now denounces.

I (like many others) was thrown out of the university that Mousavi helped to shut down as part of the Cultural Revolution.

The fact that Mr. Mousavi or Karoobi choose to talk of freedom and human rights show the degree to which the divisions within the regime are affected by the resistance of the Iranian people. I think these are the important points about the elections and not only who won or who lost.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/06/2009613181040285185...

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Nafisi paints a different picture of the man. However, my point being, which I dont think I've articulated well till now is that the people are against Ahmedinijad or atleast a substantial portion is. Whether, Mousavi is the man or not is secondary, because - a) as an outsider I cant comment on him or his policies especially when I have no prior knowledge about him and b) Whether, good or bad, the decision has to be that of the Iranian population. Like Nafisi says people usually fight for what they dont want but sometimes they arent too sure of what they do want. Even then, their voices have to be heard.

I dont follow the American media (because for the most part I find it biased and one-sided) but a news organization like Al Jazeera English seems to be bringing forth somewhat of a similar view. As a viewer, I trust this media org to a higher degree then the tons out there because of what I've seen till now and the way they seem to go about "news". But it's not just them either.

I agree, probably, our focus is only on the demonstrations or that is what the media wants us to see but we cant deny that they are taking place. Processions, marches, the works. To, what degree is something you and I cant fathom unless we are there ourselves but from what it is shown it does seem like a considerable number..atleast in a major city like Tehran (which btw, I would like to add is not representative of an entire population but I'd be surprised if Ahmedinijad cuts across as a very popular figure in a majority of other places too).

Whether, its right for the Iranian population or not, like I said before they have to be heard and the decision of the majority implemented. After all democracy in itself is a process in learning...constantly.

Maria de Chirikof's picture

Iranians

I just hope they do find a way to be heard and that it wont turn into another war since I do not imagine they desire that as a people. It made me very worried though reading what plans were possible in the works for them based on reading the American news. That is why I hoped to hear from someone living there to see what they feel about it all! It is like I told Jackie when reading news reports against the one Bolivian leader that I discounted them because I figured it was to undermine him but since she lives there I would listen to her views about it but do have my own opinions on it too.

Thank you for your time, it makes me smile sitting here talking to a woman in Pakistan! I do believe we need to work together to show the world that we are all people since not all seem to believe this of us, however strange that sounds!

I love that they are demonstrating and showing their power as a people, I just worry it will turn to violence but hope it does not. I do not believe it is wrong for Muslims to have a leader who supports Islam and tries to uphold the beauty of that religion. But if they use it to hide behind and just want to control and use the people then they do need our support and awareness. It is just sometimes hard to know what is the Truth of a situation I think!

I agree it is a learning process and I pray it will be a peaceful one for them!

Maria

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I agree on all counts, Maria.

I agree on all counts, Maria. The only bit I liked about Ahmedinijad was that he could talk back to the United States when the former said something wrong or tried intimidation tactics. For the most part though (of what I've seen/read), he rendered no service to Islam, it's image or the world's muslim population. I'm sorry if Im cutting across as some Anti- American supporter. Not so..just that the US government's foreign policies have created such a mess in so many places - especially of late -..my country included, that it's hard not to feel bitter and resent all the wrongdoings strongly. I'm going to add though that the credit for letting any country run another, goes to the latter..lack of leadership, vision, abuse of power and so on many counts it's useless to blame unless one cannot get their own act right.

Hopefully, as people to people connections grow stronger in the right way, things will definitely happen for the better. Tons of positives to counter the negativity.

Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYRu9CGJJaI&feature=channel_page
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYRu9CGJJaI&feature=channel_page

At one point, during the program someone says that Western media (CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera English) is not controlled as it is in Iran. Which, I disagree with because someone or the other does back such large organisations. It could be the government or a media baron like Rupert Murdoch. As far as I'm aware even Al Jazeera is an initiative by the government of Qatar(or someone within it). Al Jazeera English, however, has gotten an easy hand in terms of "what should not be done or done" from what appears. I've never seen any thing about Qatar. Quite sure there must've been some news but there has been no critical analysis or news that shows the wrongdoings within the country, as far as my knowledge goes.

Not sure whether it was something that I read or a documentary which I watched, but I remember the bit where it said CNN changed the use of the word "occupation or occupied land" into "settlements" when pressure was applied from the Israeli lobby within America.

All private or state owned channels/papers across the world have a certain policy or ideology, which they follow. It might even be principle based but how "independent" is it also depends to a certain extent on one's own views as well. Ofcourse, truth is truth now matter how it is presented but then again it's also relative! lol..craziness

ps: If you guys can, watch the program by Rageh Omar " The Anatomy of a Revolution" about Iran tonite. You can check the schedule on their website and find out according to your own local time. Those who dont get the channel can access their show on Youtube/Al Jazeera English.

Kizzie's picture

I really appreciate the

I really appreciate the Iranian people. I love how they are not passive. I just wish the government stops the violence against its own people. Do you guys see a coalition government in sight?

jadefrank's picture

Timely

What's happening in Iran is difficult to fully grasp for people like myself who are worlds away. However with the widespread use of Youtube, Twitter and personal blogs, it gives a small window into the issue and the events that are playing out on the ground as a result of the disputed election.

I'd like to invite you: Tanya, Kizzie, Maria, Nelly and anyone else interested to join the Iran Cafe and bring up more questions, share your insight and ignite more dialogue on this timely topic that has consumed the media and many of our thoughts and hearts this past week.

Cheers,
Jade

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